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Kuv pom question no lawm: "Koj yog twg nas?" Tiamsis kuv tsis paub qhov no txhais li cas. For a second it looked to me like it meant "Which mouse are you?" but that didn't make any sense! (Besides, kuv xav tias that would be "Koj yog nas twg?"!) The only other theory I could come up with is that "nas"="mas" and the question meant "Who are you?" I'm sure this is a common expression, but I don't understand it yet xwb. Es question no txhais li cas?
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 taumntev, on 16 November 2010 - 09:35 AM, said:

Kuv pom question no lawm: "Koj yog twg nas?" Tiamsis kuv tsis paub qhov no txhais li cas. For a second it looked to me like it meant "Which mouse are you?" but that didn't make any sense! (Besides, kuv xav tias that would be "Koj yog nas twg?"!) The only other theory I could come up with is that "nas"="mas" and the question meant "Who are you?" I'm sure this is a common expression, but I don't understand it yet xwb. Es question no txhais li cas?

This phrase "Koj yog twg nas?" is shorthand for "Koj yog leejtwg na?" = Who may you be?

The person who wrote this to you probably meant "na" rather than "nas"...

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 SWEETtea, on 16 November 2010 - 10:03 AM, said:

This phrase "Koj yog twg nas?" is shorthand for "Koj yog leejtwg na?" = Who may you be?

The person who wrote this to you probably meant "na" rather than "nas"...


Thanks for the explanation! That makes a lot of sense now.
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 taumntev, on 16 November 2010 - 10:16 AM, said:

Thanks for the explanation! That makes a lot of sense now.

You're welcome!!!

I must say... I'm very impressed to see how literate you are in Hmong. :)

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 taumntev, on 16 November 2010 - 09:35 AM, said:

Kuv pom question no lawm: "Koj yog twg nas?" Tiamsis kuv tsis paub qhov no txhais li cas. For a second it looked to me like it meant "Which mouse are you?" but that didn't make any sense! (Besides, kuv xav tias that would be "Koj yog nas twg?"!) The only other theory I could come up with is that "nas"="mas" and the question meant "Who are you?" I'm sure this is a common expression, but I don't understand it yet xwb. Es question no txhais li cas?

Nov yog short cut ntawm kev hais lus. Muajjis zooli "slang." Yog hais kom tas^ lus "Koj yog leejtwg na?" Or "Koj yog leejtwg ma?"

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Consistency kev sau ntawv Hmoob:
H always comes after all consonants, except HMOOB.

Lhoov Tshiab:

B = NP
J = NTS
NX = NTX
G = NK
^ = Xn while n = any number > 1 (in this standard) (Coob^ = Coob2 = Coob Coob)

Siv tus (-) los txuas compound words: Tu-siab, ja-iab, Nyab-laj, mam-li, etc.


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 SWEETtea, on 16 November 2010 - 10:33 AM, said:

You're welcome!!!

I must say... I'm very impressed to see how literate you are in Hmong. :)

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Ua tsaug ntau for the encouragement. Now if I could just understand spoken Hmong....... I guess that will come with time. Maybe next week....
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 taumntev, on 17 November 2010 - 02:20 PM, said:

Ua tsaug ntau for the encouragement. Now if I could just understand spoken Hmong....... I guess that will come with time. Maybe next week....

Taumntev,

Why don't you practice it with me on the phone??? :)

I can teach you what I know and you can give me some pointers on what I don't know.

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 taumntev, on 16 November 2010 - 09:35 AM, said:

Kuv pom question no lawm: "Koj yog twg nas?" Tiamsis kuv tsis paub qhov no txhais li cas. For a second it looked to me like it meant "Which mouse are you?" but that didn't make any sense! (Besides, kuv xav tias that would be "Koj yog nas twg?"!) The only other theory I could come up with is that "nas"="mas" and the question meant "Who are you?" I'm sure this is a common expression, but I don't understand it yet xwb. Es question no txhais li cas?



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Kuv tseem sim kawm understand spoken lus Hmoob zoo dua. Kuv saib lub movie lus Hmoob tas lawm tiamsis kuv tsis ntau nkag siab. Txawm kuv mus nram downstairs lawm thiab kuv pheej hais lus Hmoob rau sawvdaws lawm. Of course, tsis muaj leejtwg paub kuv hais li cas vim tsis muaj leejtwg hais lus Hmoob. Kev kawm lus tshiab yog interesting heev....
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 taumntev, on 22 November 2010 - 08:15 PM, said:

Kuv tseem sim kawm understand spoken lus Hmoob zoo dua. Kuv saib lub movie lus Hmoob tas lawm tiamsis kuv tsis ntau nkag siab. Txawm kuv mus nram downstairs lawm thiab kuv pheej hais lus Hmoob rau sawvdaws lawm. Of course, tsis muaj leejtwg paub kuv hais li cas vim tsis muaj leejtwg hais lus Hmoob. Kev kawm lus tshiab yog interesting heev....


Koj hais lus hmoob 100% los yog koj hais lus hmong 20% and English 80% (or 50:50) rau lawv mas.  Heheheh...Kuv xav mas tos lawv tsis understand koj los ntshe koj zoo li kuv hais Hmonglish ntau xwb lau.  Hehheeh li no ces tej laus yeej tsis nkag siab wb li os.  LOL.

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 SillyMe, on 04 December 2010 - 02:12 PM, said:

Koj hais lus hmoob 100% los yog koj hais lus hmong 20% and English 80% (or 50:50) rau lawv mas.  Heheheh...Kuv xav mas tos lawv tsis understand koj los ntshe koj zoo li kuv hais Hmonglish ntau xwb lau.  Hehheeh li no ces tej laus yeej tsis nkag siab wb li os.  LOL.

Es kuv ntshaw uas kuv txawj hais lus Hmoob zoo li koj hais lus Hmoob. Kuv tsis nkag siab lus Hmoob. Kuv tsis hais lus Hmoob heev. Kuv lam sau ntawv Hmoob xwb. Ntshe kuv yuav tsum nrhiav ib tug teacher. :)
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 SWEETtea, on 16 November 2010 - 10:03 AM, said:

This phrase "Koj yog twg nas?" is shorthand for "Koj yog leejtwg na?" = Who may you be?

The person who wrote this to you probably meant "na" rather than "nas"...

heheheh....keej kawg.

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 taumntev, on 04 June 2011 - 04:30 PM, said:

Es kuv ntshaw uas kuv txawj hais lus Hmoob zoo li koj hais lus Hmoob. Kuv tsis nkag siab lus Hmoob. Kuv tsis hais lus Hmoob heev. Kuv lam sau ntawv Hmoob xwb. Ntshe kuv yuav tsum nrhiav ib tug teacher. :)


Taumntev, kuv thov qhuas koj nawb.  

For someone who doesn't speak Hmong/understand Hmong well na koj yeej sau tau ntawv hmoob zoo kawg lawm mas.  Keep up the good work.  Practice makes perfect.

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 taumntev, on 16 November 2010 - 09:35 AM, said:

Kuv pom question no lawm: "Koj yog twg nas?" Tiamsis kuv tsis paub qhov no txhais li cas. For a second it looked to me like it meant "Which mouse are you?" but that didn't make any sense! (Besides, kuv xav tias that would be "Koj yog nas twg?"!) The only other theory I could come up with is that "nas"="mas" and the question meant "Who are you?" I'm sure this is a common expression, but I don't understand it yet xwb. Es question no txhais li cas?

Qhov ntawd yog hais lus short cut xwb. Tag-nrho cov lus yuav hais kom meej yog hais tias "Koj yog leej-twg na?" "Who are you?" Ib-yam li pheej nhov neeg hais tias, "Koj mus twg na?" which is the same as "Koj mus qhov-twg na?"

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Consistency kev sau ntawv Hmoob:
H always comes after all consonants, except HMOOB.

Lhoov Tshiab:

B = NP
J = NTS
NX = NTX
G = NK
^ = Xn while n = any number > 1 (in this standard) (Coob^ = Coob2 = Coob Coob)

Siv tus (-) los txuas compound words: Tu-siab, ja-iab, Nyab-laj, mam-li, etc.


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 taumntev, on 16 November 2010 - 09:35 AM, said:

Kuv pom question no lawm: "Koj yog twg nas?" Tiamsis kuv tsis paub qhov no txhais li cas. For a second it looked to me like it meant "Which mouse are you?" but that didn't make any sense! (Besides, kuv xav tias that would be "Koj yog nas twg?"!) The only other theory I could come up with is that "nas"="mas" and the question meant "Who are you?" I'm sure this is a common expression, but I don't understand it yet xwb. Es question no txhais li cas?

Kwv tij

The KEY WORD here is...TWG

Which means...WHO, WHERE, WHICH, WHEN...(leej twg? qhov twg? tus twg? Nyob twg? thaum twg?)

And don't get confuse with...TUG

TUG...is an Article and means...A (one individual/item)

The ending word...NAS is part of the Question INTONATION...

The right pronunciation should be...NA but someone may end it with...NAS...

NA...it might have the meaning: ...IS IT? or it might mean nothing at all.

But NA or NAS in the Context of your Sentence is not a MOUSE...
And it is not the KEY WORD in the Sentence...


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NTSES NUJ CAUM NTSES NIAG.....
NTSES NIAG LAIM TXUJ TXIAS..... LUB QAB PAS DEJ NTSUAB...!

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.............LOVE WILL FIND ITS WAY..............

NTUJ NIS... ME NIAM LEEJ NTXHAIS.....
PUAS MUAJ HNUB KOJ YUAV NROG TXIV LEEB TUB LI KUV MUS NYOB UA IB TSE.....KOOM UA IB CUAB...?



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 SillyMe, on 05 June 2011 - 04:34 PM, said:

Taumntev, kuv thov qhuas koj nawb.  

For someone who doesn't speak Hmong/understand Hmong well na koj yeej sau tau ntawv hmoob zoo kawg lawm mas.  Keep up the good work.  Practice makes perfect.

Ua tsaug SillyMe. Kuv ciasiab hais tias kuv yuav find more time xyaum hais lus Hmoob. Sad to say, last ob peb hlis ntuj kuv tau xyaum lus Hmoob a few hours xwb. Things have been staying very busy heev tabsis ntshe kuv yuav find lub caij ntau tuaj pem zos Hmongza thiab sau ntawv Hmoob with kuv cov phoojywg. I hope so anyway.:)
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 taumntev, on 06 June 2011 - 07:56 PM, said:

Ua tsaug SillyMe. Kuv ciasiab hais tias kuv yuav find more time xyaum hais lus Hmoob. Sad to say, last ob peb hlis ntuj kuv tau xyaum lus Hmoob a few hours xwb. Things have been staying very busy heev tabsis ntshe kuv yuav find lub caij ntau tuaj pem zos Hmongza thiab sau ntawv Hmoob with kuv cov phoojywg. I hope so anyway.:)


Oh, you know what I found most helpful?  Youtubes.  Reading the lyrics while listening to the songs.
Another thing is that I went to the sites online that sau ntawv hmoob and than translates back into English.  Hahhahah.  It really works.

Yog.  Lub caij koj busy heev ces koj yeej tsis muaj sijhawm tiag, tabsis kuv ntseeg tau tias koj yuav nrhiav kom tau lub sijhawm los kawm ntawv hmoob.

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 Nujtxeeg, on 06 June 2011 - 01:44 AM, said:

Kwv tij

The KEY WORD here is...TWG

Which means...WHO, WHERE, WHICH, WHEN...(leej twg? qhov twg? tus twg? Nyob twg? thaum twg?)

And don't get confuse with...TUG

TUG...is an Article and means...A (one individual/item)

The ending word...NAS is part of the Question INTONATION...

The right pronunciation should be...NA but someone may end it with...NAS...

NA...it might have the meaning: ...IS IT? or it might mean nothing at all.

But NA or NAS in the Context of your Sentence is not a MOUSE...
And it is not the KEY WORD in the Sentence...


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:1169690542: Thank you for the explanation, Nujtxeeg! I really like detailed explanations and yours is great. I think that I really understand it now. (Well, all except for the term "na." I know that is a sentence particle, but I never know just what to do with "na" or "nawb" or other particles like that. I should probably wait until I am more advanced to dive deep into those though :) ). Thanks again!
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 Vahuamsibluag, on 05 June 2011 - 10:24 PM, said:

Qhov ntawd yog hais lus short cut xwb. Tag-nrho cov lus yuav hais kom meej yog hais tias "Koj yog leej-twg na?" "Who are you?" Ib-yam li pheej nhov neeg hais tias, "Koj mus twg na?" which is the same as "Koj mus qhov-twg na?"

Ua koj tsaug, Vahuamsibluag! You always have good explanations! Thanks!
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 SillyMe, on 07 June 2011 - 08:36 AM, said:

Oh, you know what I found most helpful?  Youtubes.  Reading the lyrics while listening to the songs.
Another thing is that I went to the sites online that sau ntawv hmoob and than translates back into English.  Hahhahah.  It really works.

Yog.  Lub caij koj busy heev ces koj yeej tsis muaj sijhawm tiag, tabsis kuv ntseeg tau tias koj yuav nrhiav kom tau lub sijhawm los kawm ntawv hmoob.

That sounds like a good idea. I actually have a Hmong song book that I have used to try to help me, but it is easy to get bogged down in it. I have only tried the youtube songs a couple of times. Maybe I should try it again. The problem I keep having is that it seems like all the non-traditional Hmong songs that I come across seem to be really mushy love songs. They just sound really "pink" I guess. Too many of those, and I feel like running right out and singing something macho :D. Any Hmong war songs out there? <g>

Thanks for the encouragement. Hopefully I can find more time to study Hmong once I get all of my work equipment back in good shape. That has been eating a lot of my time, but I'll git'r done one of these days.
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 taumntev, on 10 June 2011 - 08:14 AM, said:

:1169690542: Thank you for the explanation, Nujtxeeg! I really like detailed explanations and yours is great. I think that I really understand it now. (Well, all except for the term "na." I know that is a sentence particle, but I never know just what to do with "na" or "nawb" or other particles like that. I should probably wait until I am more advanced to dive deep into those though :) ). Thanks again!

You can attach "na" to any questions.

Koj ua dab tsi lawm na?
Koj hais licas na?
Puas tau na?
Puas kam na?
Koj puas hnov na?  
And so on....

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 taumntev, on 10 June 2011 - 08:30 AM, said:

That sounds like a good idea. I actually have a Hmong song book that I have used to try to help me, but it is easy to get bogged down in it. I have only tried the youtube songs a couple of times. Maybe I should try it again. The problem I keep having is that it seems like all the non-traditional Hmong songs that I come across seem to be really mushy love songs. They just sound really "pink" I guess. Too many of those, and I feel like running right out and singing something macho :D. Any Hmong war songs out there? <g>

Thanks for the encouragement. Hopefully I can find more time to study Hmong once I get all of my work equipment back in good shape. That has been eating a lot of my time, but I'll git'r done one of these days.


You can find a lot on youtube, even the Hmong alphabet and its pronunciations.

Yes, Hmong war songs muaj but in rap xwb.  Hahahha
love songs ua rau koj txajmuag lawm thiab, lod?  

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 SillyMe, on 14 June 2011 - 10:57 AM, said:

You can attach "na" to any questions.

Koj ua dab tsi lawm na?
Koj hais licas na?
Puas tau na?
Puas kam na?
Koj puas hnov na?  
And so on....


yog yuav hais li taumntev hais xwb tiag mas....ntshe yuav yog lwmtiam lawm xwb laud.

Dab--ghost
caj dab--gutter ghost ....LOLz
dab tsho--ghost shirt....LOLz
dab npua--ghost trunk....LOLz
dab taw--ghost ankle....LOLz
dab tsi--ghost what
dab tes--ghost wrist :215ad82f:  :215ad82f:  :058e8b09:  :6184ceba:

and etc..... one cannot just take out one specific word into its meaning alone...due to the shortcoming of hmong language (words).

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 NpawgLem, on 14 June 2011 - 02:10 PM, said:

yog yuav hais li taumntev hais xwb tiag mas....ntshe yuav yog lwmtiam lawm xwb laud.

Dab--ghost
caj dab--gutter ghost ....LOLz
dab tsho--ghost shirt....LOLz
dab npua--ghost trunk....LOLz
dab taw--ghost ankle....LOLz
dab tsi--ghost what
dab tes--ghost wrist :215ad82f:  :215ad82f:  :058e8b09:  :6184ceba:

and etc..... one cannot just take out one specific word into its meaning alone...due to the shortcoming of hmong language (words).

True. Hmong is called a "monosyllabic" language, but it sure has a lot of compound words!
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 SillyMe, on 14 June 2011 - 11:08 AM, said:

You can find a lot on youtube, even the Hmong alphabet and its pronunciations.

Yes, Hmong war songs muaj but in rap xwb.  Hahahha
love songs ua rau koj txajmuag lawm thiab, lod?  

NP.

Hmmmm..... I don't follow rap, so I'll have to let the war songs go, I guess. I've come across a few love songs that are good, but I'll leave the mushy, pink ones for other people. I can't listen to "I love you, baby. I miss you, sweetie. I love you, honey. Why aren't you here with me?" very many times before it gets nauseating. But perhaps that is just me.... (Of course, there are also hymns about LOVE and those are a different category altogether. "Love Divine, all Loves Excelling," "The King of Love My Shepherd Is," etc. I could listen to those all day... but I don't suppose I'll find much on youtube in that vein. Oh well, maybe I'll stick to my Hmoob song book a little longer.)

Thanks for the explanation on "na" as well!
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 taumntev, on 14 June 2011 - 11:36 PM, said:

Hmmmm..... I don't follow rap, so I'll have to let the war songs go, I guess. I've come across a few love songs that are good, but I'll leave the mushy, pink ones for other people. I can't listen to "I love you, baby. I miss you, sweetie. I love you, honey. Why aren't you here with me?" very many times before it gets nauseating. But perhaps that is just me.... (Of course, there are also hymns about LOVE and those are a different category altogether. "Love Divine, all Loves Excelling," "The King of Love My Shepherd Is," etc. I could listen to those all day... but I don't suppose I'll find much on youtube in that vein. Oh well, maybe I'll stick to my Hmoob song book a little longer.)

Thanks for the explanation on "na" as well!

You're most welcome, my friend.  That's what friends are for...hehhehe....

Yes, some of the love songs are so draining...I understood so well.

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 NpawgLem, on 14 June 2011 - 02:10 PM, said:

yog yuav hais li taumntev hais xwb tiag mas....ntshe yuav yog lwmtiam lawm xwb laud.

Dab--ghost
caj dab--gutter ghost ....LOLz
dab tsho--ghost shirt....LOLz
dab npua--ghost trunk....LOLz
dab taw--ghost ankle....LOLz
dab tsi--ghost what
dab tes--ghost wrist :215ad82f:  :215ad82f:  :058e8b09:  :6184ceba:

and etc..... one cannot just take out one specific word into its meaning alone...due to the shortcoming of hmong language (words).



Txhob hais LWM TIAM mas tsis muaj lwm tiam lawm, tiam no xwb.



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